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| Debating Bigfoot Existence on Debate.org |
"I will provide evidence that Sasquatch does not exist by using facts, scientific data, opinions, and just plain common sense." --DonutBoy17, Debate.org user
Debate.org is a free online community where intelligent minds from around the world come to debate online and read the opinions of others. Yesterday, June 18th 2014, DonutBoy17, a Debate.org user, claimed he would be able to provide evidence Sasquatch does not exist. Another user, RainbowDash52 is the opponent and arguing for the existence of Bigfoot.
This is a five round debate and as of today they are deep into the third round. Read the debate so far with a link to see how the debate ends.
ROUND 1
DonutBoy17:
I will provide evidence that Sasquatch does not exist by using facts, scientific data, opinions, and just plain common sense. I will provide a few reasons and points that support my argument each round as well as rebuttal points made by my opponent. The opponent may use the first round argument however he/she pleases.
RainbowDash52:
In the past there have been several animals that were believed to be mythical that turned out to actually exist, including the Okapi (African unicorn), the Giant Squid (Kraken), the Gorilla, and more. [1][2] Since it is often the case that creatures whom many believed to be fictional actually exist, it would be logical for Bigfoot to exist. This in addition to the abundant number of Bigfoot sightings is more than enough for there to be at least a reasonable chance that Bigfoot exists.
[1] http://listverse.com...
[2] http://www.blastr.com...
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org...
ROUND 2
DonutBoy17:It is true that species such as the Okapi, Giant Squid, and Gorilla weren't believed to exist and then turned out to be real. But lets look a litter closer at this fact. The Okapi and Gorilla were believed to be mythical until their discovery in 1901 and 1902. Those discoveries happened over 100 years ago when our scientific and technological abilities were far less capable. The last land animal discovered that was around the size of a gorilla was probably the Giant Panda that was discovered in 1927. Since 1927, all the animals that have been discovered have been either relatively small, microscopic, or aquatic. Your Giant Squid argument is almost irrelevant because the amount of sea creatures discovered in comparison to land animals is very small. Anyways, with todays technology, it is nearly impossible for a species (Sasquatch) to remain hidden from a highly populated country for so long. If Sasquatches really did exist all throughout America (not including Hawaii) there is no way that the only potential evidence that had been found is footprints and blurry videos and pictures. Footprints and pictures are way to easy to fake and are not enough evidence to prove the existence of a species. Most of these footprints, videos, and pictures are later admitted to be hoaxes. The most famous video of Sasquatch is the iconic footage of the creature walking through the woods with big strides filmed by Roger Patterson. This footage was later admitted fake by Bob Heironimus who said he was paid $1,000 to walk in a gorilla costume while filmed. I will cut this round off here and provide more facts in the next round.
RainbowDash52:
One of the reasons for why Bigfoot could be hard to detect would be because Bigfoot is nocturnal, which some speculate he is [1]. It is harder to find animals that are mainly active during the night. Bigfoot is also smarter than most animals, so it could be able to use its intelligence to hide better. These factors could contribute to its evasiveness, so it may be the case that Bigfoot is harder to find than other animals.
My opponent claims "Anyways, with todays technology, it is nearly impossible for a species (Sasquatch) to remain hidden from a highly populated country for so long." As you can see here [3], there are large sections of the United States that are not very populated. A population of Bigfoot could easily live there unnoticed.
Although Bob Heironimus admitted to help fake the Patterson film, it has not been proven that that what he admitted is true.
"Bob Heironimus claims to have been the figure depicted in the Patterson film, and his allegations are detailed in Long's book. Heironimus was a tall (6' 2), muscular Yakima, Washington, native, age 26, when he says Patterson offered him $1000 to wear an ape suit for a Bigfoot film. Bob Gimlin was on Bob Heironimus' horse, Chico, when the PGF was being filmed. Heironimus is one of numerous people who are claimed to be visible in an unreleased second reel of the film. It is unclear which, if any, of these claims are authentic." [2]
My opponent claims most evidences for Bigfoot are later admitted to be hoaxes. Although some are, I doubt most are. I challenge my opponent to give a source supporting his/her claim. Although all footprints, pictures, and videos have the possibility of being faked, that is the reason there is no proof of Bigfoot, because people can't tell the real evidence from the fake evidence.
ROUND 3
DonutBoy17:
The first thing I want to do before arguing my case is to clear up a mistake made by myself in the previous round and was also pointed out by my opponent. Bob Heironimus was said to have been paid $1000 to walk in the gorilla suit, but Bob claims that he did indeed walk in the suit, but was NOT paid any money to do so.
My opponent says that Bigfoot could be hard to detect because they are nocturnal. So you are saying that humans can't find Bigfoot because it's dark outside? We have infrared technology and night vision goggles that eliminate this problem. Or people could just search for them when it is daytime. Just because Bigfoot may be nocturnal doesn't mean that they disappear during the day time. And also it would probably be easier to find Bigfoot when he is sleeping and can't be "evasive". In America we have the technology, skill, and intelligence to track down a person hiding anywhere in the country, but yet you think that we can be outsmarted by thousands of wild gorillas? It just isn't logical.
The debate continues at http://www.debate.org/debates/Sasquatch-does-not-exist/1/
Donutboy doesn't have a clue. He uses the word "admit" in order to shore up his arguement, instead of the more appropriate "made claims that have never been proven by even the slightest bit of evidence". Big difference. Donutboy attempts to validate his position by proclaiming falsehoods to be true. Bigfoot has always been paranormal. They tend to be more active at night because man cannot shoot them as easily, if he cannot see them due to either invisibility or due to darkness. Donutboy claims that making fake evidence is too easy to fake, therefore all alleged evidence is fake. Donutboy fails to realize that he just make an argument for himself being a fake. Self proclaimed experts on Bigfoot, who have little or no field experience, are easy to fake therefore all people who claim to be experts on either the existence or non-existence of Bigfoot, are a fake. Thus, making no persons opinion about Bigfoot, of any real value. Which is as ridiculous as Donutboys positions are.
ReplyDeleteIf a hunter in northern California reports a sasquatch in 1950 and divulges a high amount of detail about how the creature looked and how it moved, then a woman in Vermont reports a sighting in 2003 and gives identical details, doesn't that point to a real flesh and blood creature?? Now think about 5 or 6 thousand reports from all over with thousands of miles in between with matching MO.s. Don't you think that alone points to a real undiscovered species??
ReplyDeleteNo. Let's say I was going to make up crocodile man. I said he was 9 foot tall, green with blue eyes and scales all over with claws. Every "report" after that, would be close to the same, but I made him up after leaving some "claw" marks on the ground and contacted the police of course.
DeleteThe same reason every "alien" is reported as grey men. Do you really think, anything from a distant star, millions of years away, would look anything like us, uh no. The reason Bigfoot and aliens are reported man-like, is simple. Man does not want to believe he is alone, so we make things up that look like us. In fact only the apes look like us, and most cannot walk on two legs very far, if at all.
I think doughnut is mostly close. I would add that EVERY REPORTED siting is either made up, mistaken, or someone who has a mental illness and any "evidence" is planted. So, I made up Croc man, it would be on me to prove it to you, it exists, not you to prove to me it does not exist. Of course, it does not exist at all other then a made up tale, just like Bigfoot and Aliens.
For Doughnutboy:
DeleteFirst " The last land animal discovered that was around the size of a gorilla was probably the Giant Panda that was discovered in 1927 " . Check the "Scientific Data"on the Bili Ape.
Second ." In America we have the technology, skill, and intelligence to track down a person hiding anywhere in the country" Hmmm maybe you should inform the FBI about this technology, skill, and intelligence so they can capture those fugitives who have been on their most wanted list...... For Decades.
Crocodile Boy: For your Every ' Report " Theory to have any validity you would need to go back in time and travel the world and make your "Police Report"
in different languages and leave Cave~ Rock paintings
and wood carvings for future computer users to study.
Peace
Uh, besides you are a fanboy of the Bigfoot, wrong you ARE. Remember, I said MAN has never wanted to be alone, therefore MAN, reports MAN-Like beings. Please learn to read before you speak. I am still 100% correct in everything I stated, you none.
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